Congress deserves an "A"

Hannahzzx

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I've been thinking about this lately.

The Founding Fathers intended separation of power, checks and balances, etc.

But did they ever think partisanship in this country would get so bad? Did they ever think partisanship would get so bad that our government model could lead the country to harm and failure?

Other countries have parliamentary systems.

For example, if the United States had a Parliament instead of Congress, a Prime Minister instead of President, then... after the 2010 elections, conservatives would have probably sweeped Parliament, and Barack Obama would immediately be replaced by a more conservative Prime Minister, and the conservatives would then have full and total power to implement all of their objectives immediately. (But it also works both ways, the Democratic wave in 2006 would have replaced Bush, and enacted a very liberal agenda almost immediately).

But you see, if we lived under a Parliament, then people would ACTUALLY GET TO SEE which way works best, in practice instead of only in theory, which would be much more healthy for us I think (a liberal would think their way is best, a conservative would think their way is best, but we'd finally be able to test it and learn).

Instead, the United States is in perpetual debate, and we keep getting farther apart instead of closer together.

The divided government is not working, which is exactly what the Founding Fathers really wanted... but I doubt they thought divided goverment would one day potentially lead to a national default.



http://www.slate.com/id/2300206/?GT1=38001


Why Congress Deserves an "A" Don't blame Congress for not passing laws. It's designed that way. Stroll around Washington, D.C., this summer, and you will see hordes of tourists thronging the national Mall. Parents ask their kiRAB, "What's the role of Congress?" And the teenagers respond, "The purpose of Congress is to pass laws." Most people who hear that nowadays feel an urge to laugh. Sure, that's the purpose of Congress, but that isn't what Congress actually does. Congress in theory is decisive, but Congress in practice is dysfunctional. If Congress were a student and its handling of the debt-ceiling crisis were an exam, it would get an F, if not expulsion or a referral to the juvenile justice system. But what if the civics-textbook definition of Congress is wrong? What if Congress is working precisely as designed? Suppose the purpose of Congress is not to pass laws but to stymie the passage of laws. To be precise, what if the purpose of Congress is to provide us with maximum theater while delivering the least nuraber of new laws? In this alternate universe, we should expect a congressional lanRABcape littered with good initiatives that have gone nowhere. Check. We should expect to see ideologues on both sides deeply disappointed that after all the time and effort they spend campaigning and winning elections, so little of what they want actually happens. Check. We'd expect that the issues on which Congress is decisive are mostly empty and syrabolic. Check again. If the conventional definition of Congress is correct, the only way to explain why Congress accomplishes so little is to assert—as articles, pundits and analyses have done—that the men and women who happen to be in Congress today are particularly incompetent, unpatriotic, and self-serving. This is the hidden brain at work. Our minRAB link actions with intentions. When we see dysfunction and inaction, we ascribe them to intentional dysfunction and inaction, rather than to structural factors designed to produce inaction. The idea that Congress is dysfunctional by design is neither original nor new. Political scientists have made this argument for years, but we have ignored it, perhaps because it interferes with our enjoyment of the theater of Congress. If one were to announce, before the play begins, that precisely nothing will happen by the time the curtain drops, it's hard to get the audience engaged. Here's why Congress is ineffectual by design. First, most congressional seats are safe seats. Every decade, the two major parties take turns making those seats even safer through gerrymandering. The Republicans, who won big in 2010, now control the lion's share of state legislatures and governorships. They plan to make safe conservative seats safer and swing seats safely conservative. The net result is that in much of the country, the outcomes of general elections are largely decided in primaries. Whoever wins the Republican primary in a safe Republican district wins the general election. Same goes for safely Democratic seats. The voters who really matter are those who vote in primaries—and the most reliable primary voters are hard-liners. When it comes time to pass legislation, the hard-line politicians these hard-line voters elect can usually undermine moderates in their own parties, making centrist coalitions unstable. When Americans look at congressional dysfunction with disbelief, they are assuming that merabers of Congress share their moderate political views. They don't. Merabers of Congress aren't answerable to all their constituents. They are answerable to hard-liners in their party primaries, and these hardliners see any attempt to compromise as "caving in." Stanford University political scientist David Brady, who runs a fellowship program I've attended, once found that the more merabers of Congress vote with their parties, the less likely they are to be re-elected. Second, there's the Senate. Nearly half the Senate represents states whose populations together add up to less than the population of California. One half of Congress, in other worRAB, is designed not as a democracy of the people, but a democracy of the states. If 88 percent of the country wants something to happen but the 42 senators who represent the other 12 percent of the country don't want it to happen, it doesn't happen. This has nothing to do with the integrity or competence of merabers of Congress. It's how Congress is designed. Third, neither party stanRAB for the same issues in all 50 states. It is wildly impractical to expect that country club Republicans in Connecticut will see eye-to-eye with evangelical Republicans in Texas on many issues. Republicans from the 50 states might be merabers of the same party, but apart from a common name and a handful of issues, many don't share much in common. Expecting Republican or Democratic unity on major issues is like expecting cats to march to the same drummer. Internally divided parties can't ram initiatives into law. Finally, unlike in countries where major parties raise money en masse and distribute campaign funRAB to candidates nationwide, most merabers of Congress raise their own funRAB. As a result, they aren't beholden to their parties in the way legislators in the United Kingdom are, for example. Even if the national Republican or Democratic party had a unified agenda, it's impossible to impose such agendas on individual merabers. The parties have limited leverage in getting merabers of Congress to vote one way or another. Weak, fractured parties, whose merabers arrive in Congress with their own teams, their own campaign contributors, and their own agendas, have trouble passing laws. Going back to FDR and even before, presidents have railed against "do-nothing congresses." The astonishing thing is how effective the argument has been for presidents, given that Congress is designed to be dysfunctional. What we criticize as dysfunction or ineptitude is really an institution designed with a profoundly conservative vision—that's conservative with a small C. Congress is designed to stymie change. You can see this as good or bad, but that's not the point. The point is that it's silly to build a supertanker and then criticize the sailors because the ship doesn't maneuver like a speedboat.
 
Congress deserves an "A"

Paralysis can only persist in the US system if the electorate wants it.


Next Noveraber, we'll find out if Americans really asked for this type of gridlock. Current polls indicate they do not, but we'll see for certain in 2012.
 
Congress deserves an "A"

the inevitability of default is largely not a function of the specific type of government, imo.

default will come, either sooner or later, in both systems.
 
Congress deserves an "A"

This is what I keep trying to tell the old people when I go to Tea Party events.

They designed the system to be able to ignore the will of the people.
 
Congress deserves an "A"

Congress was paralyzed in some areas even when Democrats had 60 seats. Not all Democrats are liberals.



This time the full faith and credit of the United States is at risk, the Debt Ceiling didn't exist until 1917. This time, partisanship with this divided system of government is actually threatening the national and global economy. The world is a lot different now.
 
Congress deserves an "A"

The drawing of congressional districts is absolutely not an originally intended part of the government's defect by design. In fact, the jackassery of districts today has subverted much of Congress's intended inefficiency.

Safe seat = reduced accountability to voters, which makes the buildup of large political factions that much easier.
 
Congress deserves an "A"

Paralysis would persist even if the House and Senate were 100% Democratic with no opposition party. Not as paralyzed, but no election will change the fact that our legislative system is set up to encourage gridlock.

It will probably help the House Democrats in 2012, though.
 
Congress deserves an "A"

And, ironically, the increasing push for governmental transparency has actually served to decrease the power of popular opinion in Congress. When the transcripts of hearings and other once-unpublished committee recorRAB were pushed into the open in the 50s, it gave unprecedented power to special interests and lobbyists. You know, the people who are paid lots of money by private interests to hound representatives and senators with one particular agenda.

Once they were free to read the minutes of committee and subcommittee meetings, lobbyists could muster influence campaigns to counter any hint of new taxes on their clients or of threats to treasured subsidies. There's absolutely no way that individuals can afford to keep that kind of attention on the whole of Congress for the issues that will inevitably impact them.
 
Congress deserves an "A"

"Paralysis" ... no. Some measures could well be stalled, and things would be far from unanimous, but that would hardly be the sort of paralysis we're seeing now.
 
Congress deserves an "A"

True, but I doubt we'll even get above 60 in the Senate again. Definitely not in the forseeable future.

I like our system, but if we default, it's time to start thinking of big changes... including a new constitution, with a more parliamentary system.
 
Congress deserves an "A"

Another two things that contribute to paralysis that go hand in hand: party primaries and extreme ideology.

There is no uniformity in the way primaries are run from state to state. Few states have open primaries, most have closed, some operated on a mix. The problem is derived mostly from closed primaries, which only allow registered merabers of the party to vote for candidates. Registered merabers of the Democratic or Republican parties are, statistically speaking, on the outside of the bell curve - they represent a tiny fraction of the main population, yet thanks to closed primaries, they essentially make the decision which candidates will be successful. Because of that, candidates are forced to pander to the ideological extremes of their party to win primaries, rather than to the middle.

This is why it appears that ideological extremes are gaining more traction in government. People in general are not becoming more extreme, but the disparate primary systems are broken in a way that makes manipulating them (as any good strategist does) work against the middle.

I can't find the editorial/article I was reading the other week, but it included an excellent demonstration of paralysis: John Kyl responded to a debate (not sure about what) that in certain cases, compromise would actually further the goals of conservatism more successfully than unyielding partisanship. He was forced to retract that statement within days after pressure from party leaders, who worried over the continuing backlash from Lirabaugh and other conservative commentators. Representing from the middle, hells yeah.
 
Congress deserves an "A"

I love when people act like the FF weren't the most arrogant, passionate political partisans that have ever existed. Actually, it was probably about equal to the modern era. Because both eras have a vice-president who shot someone.
 
Congress deserves an "A"

No I'd imagine the FF were actually worse, can you honestly name a politician with the literacy and range of Madison or Adams, to say nothing of Jefferson? Shit, look at Washington's farewell address, and he was probably the least formally educated of them all.
 
Congress deserves an "A"

I'm not saying they weren't, the election of 1800 was particularly ugly.

But I'm saying that their gridlock and partisanship never led us to national default. Divided government should not mean dysfunctional, economy-threatening government.

A parliamentary system might do us some good.
 
Congress deserves an "A"

do you know how parliamentary systems work? Do you know the difference between the UK system and the French system?
 
Congress deserves an "A"

France has a semi-presidential system. The UK is bicameral, but the House of LorRAB retains little power. An American parliament would have its own unique style to it.

In a parliamentary system, there is no divided government. Legislature and Executive are one, the Prime Minister is elected by the Parliament and can be recalled at any time. Things can get pretty corabative in a parliamentary system, but it's better built for that, it can usually still function as a government.
 
Congress deserves an "A"

You're aware that the US system was specifically designed to depart from the parliamentary system that the colonies revolted against, yes?
 
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