Coconut oil..........look again.

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Dave Smith wrote:



Since you aren't a vegan, the above argument doesn't apply to you. So,
in my mind, coconut oil is definitely on the "bad" list for your diet,
along with animal fats. So, it's a question of how much "bad" fat you
can eat, and which ones you really want in the limited quantities you
are allowed (assuming that the amount allowed isn't zero!).

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
[email protected]
 
Dave Smith wrote:

No, this is not true, some saturated fats are necessary in your diet,
and some are profoundly good for you.


Yes, indeed. Please read the two titles I suggested before you comment
further.


No, high cholesterol is not a bad thing. First, cholesterol ratios are
very important, and high values for the good kind of cholesterol are not
only not bad for you, they're profoundly, explicitly, and absolutely
good for you - can I word that any more strongly? :)


You can take your pick of health professionals. Many are misinformed,
guided by government guidelines prepared under the influence of
businesses whose bottom lines are helped by the current guidelines.
Read both sides of the story - "health professionals" is not monolithic.
There is a _lot_ one can learn about fats in the diet, e.g., that
farm-raised salmon can actually be bad for people with inflammatory
disease while fresh caught salmon can be helpful. Don't oversimplify
the subject of dietary fat, or saturated fat.

-S-
 
Dan Abel wrote:




The fact that they use it in animal studies when they deliberately
need to raise cholesterol levels should be a clue.

I would not want to keep it on hand in the kitchen. Why use less
olive oil?


Steve
 
On 02/03/2011 12:18 PM, Steve Freides wrote:

According to the American Heart Association, saturated fat is the
leading cause of high cholesterol and they should not make up more than
7% of your total daily calories.


Professionals disagree with you, but good luck with your diet.
 
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,
Bryan wrote:






http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_ain't_no_such_thing_as_a_free_lunch

Often abbreviated as TANSTAAFL.

Back when I was a wee one, I learned that the way to tell healthier fats
from others, was the healthier ones were a liquid at room temperature,
and the others were a solid. Someone came up with the bright idea of
taking a healthier vegetable fat (cottonseed oil, sounds tasty, right?)
and making it more suitable for certain baking, like pie crusts. So it
became a solid at room temperature. This was fairly simple, just adding
some hydrogen to it. They called it Crisco. Later, they found that it
not only worked better for baking, and was a solid at room temperature,
like the other animal fats, but it also took on the bad qualities of
those fats, namely, it was high in saturated fats. Then someone
discovered that coconut oil didn't have to be hydrogenated to get those
desirable qualities. And it was already a solid at room temperature.
And it was *very* high in saturated fat.

Are we seeing a pattern here? Solid at room temperature = not healthy.
I did a Google on shea butter and spent about 5 minutes. I didn't get
much info about how healthy it was. But it seems to be a solid at room
temperature.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
[email protected]
 
Dan Abel wrote:

What is so special about room temperature? Coconut oil is a liquid at
*body* temperature. (That is unusual among saturated fats.) Also you
are ignoring the difference between cis- and trans-fats.

I think coconut oil is more healthful than its alternatives. I won't
go so far as to say it's good for you (but in small amounts, it
*might* be. Or it might be for some people.)

-Bob
 
Dave Smith wrote:

Please read again what I said. Saturated fats come in quite a few
varieties; the kind in coconut oil is a health food, something that
improves your health, and is in no way bad for you.


No, only some professionals disagree with me - many, including my own
personal physician, do not.

If you look at the evidence carefully, you will find "unexplained" cases
of people with very high cholesterol and excellent heart health, and
people with very low cholesterol who drop dead of a heart attack. For
one thing, there are now new tests that break blood cholesterol down
into many more types than has been done for the last few decades, but
insurance companies generally are unwilling to pay for these tests -
penny wise and pound foolish, IMHO. Again, my doctor was familiar with
the better cholesterol tests but told me I'd have to pay for them
myself - I plan to do that but haven't yet.

Read

http://www.thegreatcholesterolcon.com/

and read

http://www.amazon.com/Coconut-Miracle-Previously-published-Healing/dp/1583332049

and then let's talk again. Some of the second book can be found in
Google Books.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
 
Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:

I suggest you put phrases like

coconut oil studies

into your favorite web search engine and do some reading. I just did -
almost every link agreed that early studies linking coconut oil to poor
blood cholesterol were flawed because these studies tested partially
hydrogenated coconute oil. Everything else I read suggests that coconut
oil is somewhere between a little good for you and a lot good for you.

I could not, in reading the first half dozen or so links provided by
Google, find anything that contradicted the recommendation I follow
personally - a few tablespoons of coconut oil per day. The take-away
point is that the "medical dicta" to which you refer are old. They
_used_ to say coconut oil was bad for you, but that tide has largely
changed, albeit without much publicity.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
 
In article ,
zxcvbob wrote:



It's an arbitrary criteria.


Butter is one of my favorite saturated fats. It is a liquid at body
temperatures, or even high room temperatures. Tallow melts at 109-114F:

http://www.welch-holme-clark.com/edible_beef_tallow_spec.html

"Lard, which is rendered and clarified pork fat, melts around 86?F
(30?C). Crisco, which used to be hydrogenated vegetable shortening*,
melts between 117?F and 119?F (47?C and 48?C). "

http://www.ochef.com/1157.htm


Depends what you consider its alternatives. Also depends on your
reasoning. From what I've read, it appears to me that the jury is still
out.


Well, it's not a poison anyway!

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
[email protected]
 
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