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Okay so I debate with Christians sometimes and it always boils down to 'faith in God'. They say they have it and I don't and more or less thats why I'm going to hell and they're going to heaven. But I've been thinking... is faith in God's existence really faith in God or is it faith in man?
Lets try an example. Say if I were to tell you that if you were able to see God, he'd be purple. Would you believe me? Of course not. Is that a lack of faith in God? No. It's a lack of faith in me right? So clearly if I make a claim regarding God and you don't believe it, it has nothing to do with your faith in God, but your faith in man. The only way I could imagine faith in God would enter the picture is if God himself told you that he's purple.
Of course if I say God said he's purple, you believing it would still be faith in me and not faith in God. So as we can see God has to speak directly to you, without middlemen, before faith in him comes into the picture.
So when a preacher, or your family/friends tells you that God exists, if you believe them is that not faith in them instead of faith in God? If you take the bible as God's word isn't that faith in the men who told you thats the case?
The exception would be if God spoke to you directly, and many Christians do claim that is the case, but when I ask them why God doesn't speak to me they tell me 'you have to have faith' first. So clearly it seems what they're saying is having faith in man is a prerequisite to being able to have faith in God. Thats pretty contradictory because the bible itself says that no man is good.
So having read all of that can any Christian refute my argument?
Lets try an example. Say if I were to tell you that if you were able to see God, he'd be purple. Would you believe me? Of course not. Is that a lack of faith in God? No. It's a lack of faith in me right? So clearly if I make a claim regarding God and you don't believe it, it has nothing to do with your faith in God, but your faith in man. The only way I could imagine faith in God would enter the picture is if God himself told you that he's purple.
Of course if I say God said he's purple, you believing it would still be faith in me and not faith in God. So as we can see God has to speak directly to you, without middlemen, before faith in him comes into the picture.
So when a preacher, or your family/friends tells you that God exists, if you believe them is that not faith in them instead of faith in God? If you take the bible as God's word isn't that faith in the men who told you thats the case?
The exception would be if God spoke to you directly, and many Christians do claim that is the case, but when I ask them why God doesn't speak to me they tell me 'you have to have faith' first. So clearly it seems what they're saying is having faith in man is a prerequisite to being able to have faith in God. Thats pretty contradictory because the bible itself says that no man is good.
So having read all of that can any Christian refute my argument?