Ok so i know i've been asking a lot of questions about camcorders recently, i just keep going back and forth between these two. Could you recommend which is best for a first timer. i love the quality of both and I'm just undecided because of the formats: the avchd or the miniDV tapes. Could someone please tell me the pros and cons with these cameras (don't include price)? Thank you! oh and if you prefer the 20/200 would you say the built in memory is worth the difference in price? thanks.