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Views on Islam and Pakistan - 1
I think your analysis of Islam and Pakistan is extremely naïve and simplistic. Most of them time you seem to be parroting views of some highly prejudiced groups without any forethought. In fact, parts of your post are so stupid, I am not even sure whether to waste my time in responding. Just reflect on some of your statements! (1) "Based upon my understanding the kaafir world vs. Islam is the biggest issue today". Really? Global warming, environmental degradation, and population increase are not civilizational threats? According to various UN estimates, the impact of impending environmental change on Africa (via weather pattern-induced famines and consequent social and economic breakdown) is going to be well over a hundred times worse than a major nuclear strike. What about the role of US policies in the Middle East - to maintain access to petroleum reserves - in fueling Islamic terrorism?
(2) ".The real true Muslims do not discriminate on the basis of nationality." Really? Then why does the Muslim world consist of nation states? If that is a consequence of European colonialism, why does public not annul it in favor of an all-encompassing Islamic state? Have you any idea of the factionalism, regionalism, ethno-centrism, and sub-nationalims that existed even during the times of various Islamic empires? Have you ever visited any Muslim countries to get a feel for their national distinctiveness? You don't need to be a genius to know that Indian, Turkish, Arab, Persian, and Indonesian Islams are completely different. Moreover, you can see tremendous variation in Muslim states within one supposedly monolithic region, such as (Arab) Middle East and North Africa.
(3) You want to test Pakistani nationalism? Try invading the country. I guarantee you 100% that all ethnic, cultural, religious, and socio-economic differences will disappear overnight and people will fight the invader. To give a feel of Pak nationalism, as a Pakistani I cannot dare say publicly on national TV that Pak suffers from an identity crisis and expect to live safely in the country. (4) "And most fundamentally sound Muslims think the same!" Oh, yeah? I thought not even two human beings thought the same and that even twins are different. Surely, your insight that 1.5 billion muslims "think the same" turns conventional wisdom about human behavior completely on its head. Nobel Prize, anyone?
(5) Have you looked at the rest of the third world? Forget about comparing Pakistan to India - a shining exception of stable, pluralistic, participatory, and representative democracy in the developing world. Do you have any clues about political cultures of Africa, Central Asia, Middle East, and Southeast Asia? Or until very recently, about political cultures of Central and South America or Eastern Europe before 1990? What happened to Russia under Putin? Seems like it is well on its way to reverting to a dictatorship in all but name.
(6) The tragedy of Partition of India as well as the falsehood of the "two-nation [Hindu-Muslim] theory" notwithstanding, do you actually know anything about Jinnah's character, ability, integrity, or principles? Had he lived for even half the duration that Nehru lived after the country's creation, Pak would have turned out very differently. Today's Pakistan bears absolutely no resemblance to the secular, liberal, progressive, and democratic one envisioned by Jinnah. In short, he imagined (maybe, erroneously) a "Westernized" country where Muslims would not have to fear Hindu domination.
(7)Jinnah famously remarked to Pakistan's first constituent assembly: "You may belong to any religion caste or creed - that has nothing to do with the business of the state. In due course of time, Hindus will cease to be Hindus and Muslims will cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the state." Had that statement been implemented by future Pak leadership, or had Jinnah had time to implement it himself, do you think Pak would have been "destined to be a joke." (8) "Whenever the Baloch and the Pathans intend to separate, they should do it peacefully." Really? What do you know of Baloch and Pathan separatist movements?
This is my debate with a friend.
Check it out!!!
Views on Islam and Pakistan - 1
I think your analysis of Islam and Pakistan is extremely naïve and simplistic. Most of them time you seem to be parroting views of some highly prejudiced groups without any forethought. In fact, parts of your post are so stupid, I am not even sure whether to waste my time in responding. Just reflect on some of your statements! (1) "Based upon my understanding the kaafir world vs. Islam is the biggest issue today". Really? Global warming, environmental degradation, and population increase are not civilizational threats? According to various UN estimates, the impact of impending environmental change on Africa (via weather pattern-induced famines and consequent social and economic breakdown) is going to be well over a hundred times worse than a major nuclear strike. What about the role of US policies in the Middle East - to maintain access to petroleum reserves - in fueling Islamic terrorism?
(2) ".The real true Muslims do not discriminate on the basis of nationality." Really? Then why does the Muslim world consist of nation states? If that is a consequence of European colonialism, why does public not annul it in favor of an all-encompassing Islamic state? Have you any idea of the factionalism, regionalism, ethno-centrism, and sub-nationalims that existed even during the times of various Islamic empires? Have you ever visited any Muslim countries to get a feel for their national distinctiveness? You don't need to be a genius to know that Indian, Turkish, Arab, Persian, and Indonesian Islams are completely different. Moreover, you can see tremendous variation in Muslim states within one supposedly monolithic region, such as (Arab) Middle East and North Africa.
(3) You want to test Pakistani nationalism? Try invading the country. I guarantee you 100% that all ethnic, cultural, religious, and socio-economic differences will disappear overnight and people will fight the invader. To give a feel of Pak nationalism, as a Pakistani I cannot dare say publicly on national TV that Pak suffers from an identity crisis and expect to live safely in the country. (4) "And most fundamentally sound Muslims think the same!" Oh, yeah? I thought not even two human beings thought the same and that even twins are different. Surely, your insight that 1.5 billion muslims "think the same" turns conventional wisdom about human behavior completely on its head. Nobel Prize, anyone?
(5) Have you looked at the rest of the third world? Forget about comparing Pakistan to India - a shining exception of stable, pluralistic, participatory, and representative democracy in the developing world. Do you have any clues about political cultures of Africa, Central Asia, Middle East, and Southeast Asia? Or until very recently, about political cultures of Central and South America or Eastern Europe before 1990? What happened to Russia under Putin? Seems like it is well on its way to reverting to a dictatorship in all but name.
(6) The tragedy of Partition of India as well as the falsehood of the "two-nation [Hindu-Muslim] theory" notwithstanding, do you actually know anything about Jinnah's character, ability, integrity, or principles? Had he lived for even half the duration that Nehru lived after the country's creation, Pak would have turned out very differently. Today's Pakistan bears absolutely no resemblance to the secular, liberal, progressive, and democratic one envisioned by Jinnah. In short, he imagined (maybe, erroneously) a "Westernized" country where Muslims would not have to fear Hindu domination.
(7)Jinnah famously remarked to Pakistan's first constituent assembly: "You may belong to any religion caste or creed - that has nothing to do with the business of the state. In due course of time, Hindus will cease to be Hindus and Muslims will cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the state." Had that statement been implemented by future Pak leadership, or had Jinnah had time to implement it himself, do you think Pak would have been "destined to be a joke." (8) "Whenever the Baloch and the Pathans intend to separate, they should do it peacefully." Really? What do you know of Baloch and Pathan separatist movements?