i wouldn't give a dime to any site they only payment would be only to pay my internet access
Boycott STN (Storethe.net) and Vizz (Vizz.tv) thread
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i wouldn't give a dime to any site they only payment would be only to pay my internet access
prq was started with the motive to host the pirate bay, created and administrated by the very same guys. In other words, prq = tpb. It was later they started offering hosting services to customers. Anyways, the point is that we all know what happened to tpb a few years ago, prq was raided and the responsible guys were prosecuted. So the claim that "APB aint gonna do shit" isn't really true.
My understanding of the whole file sharing thing is fairly clear.I realize that in some cases that it proves beneficial to the artists involved, although I think you would be hard pressed to find many cases outside music where the cost to the creator outweighed the loss.
But that is entirely beside the point.As it stands the distribution of material protected by copyright is against the law most places and morality and ethnics aside by "thief" that's all I was saying there.
As for this statement
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I think that my use of the word "some" would have made it apparent that it wasn't a blanket condemnation and I am quit willing to praise a good altruistic scener just as soon as I have the pleasure of meeting one.
You seem to lack a basic understanding of commerce specifically and humanity in general.
The whole process of production is based on getting the greatest return on your product and not meeting some fictitious "I'm satisfied ,I'm rich enough now and I will happily quit" line.Why? Simply because the producer is not only answerable to him/her/themselves but also to their investors
If producer A generates X amount of dollars for said investors but producer B generates 2X amount for them where do you think their money is going to go next time?.
Find me a producer who is satisfied with less and you will find me a failed producer.
As for people trying before they buy ,I don't have the exact figures but I am pretty sure it's a landslide towards the "got it for free, screw the Man " side.:dabs:If you can change that I am willing to accede to all your arguments
But that is entirely beside the point.As it stands the distribution of material protected by copyright is against the law most places and morality and ethnics aside by "thief" that's all I was saying there.
As for this statement
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I think that my use of the word "some" would have made it apparent that it wasn't a blanket condemnation and I am quit willing to praise a good altruistic scener just as soon as I have the pleasure of meeting one.
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You seem to lack a basic understanding of commerce specifically and humanity in general.
The whole process of production is based on getting the greatest return on your product and not meeting some fictitious "I'm satisfied ,I'm rich enough now and I will happily quit" line.Why? Simply because the producer is not only answerable to him/her/themselves but also to their investors
If producer A generates X amount of dollars for said investors but producer B generates 2X amount for them where do you think their money is going to go next time?.
Find me a producer who is satisfied with less and you will find me a failed producer.
As for people trying before they buy ,I don't have the exact figures but I am pretty sure it's a landslide towards the "got it for free, screw the Man " side.:dabs:If you can change that I am willing to accede to all your arguments
STN and Vizz both sites have gone to the lengths to really become a security liability for the scene and all the file sharing society. If this trend continued then slowly but surly more sites would adopt it and thus harm the very base of this whole file sharing concept. With such business like activity Government Agencies and Departments are bound to be attracted towards them with added interest and in this process the entire scene and bittorrent horizon would be endangered. These sites are absolutely destroying all the moral grounds for file sharing.How on earth one can protect the selling of the products which one has no right to sell in the first place. The people behind these sites are like thieves, who stole the other people property and then sell it. I request:-
To Users
It is time to unite against such sites and practices. Boycott STN and Vizz. Make negative and boycott threads like these on all the respective forums you have.
To The Scene
All the scene groups should boycott and ban these two site and under no circumstances allow your releases to be uploaded on this site. Ban and restrict anybody doing so. Remember these sites are exploiting your hard work. Remember such sites are a real enemy of the scene as they would necessarily attract all the Govt authorities towards the scene.
To The Forums, Blogs and News sites
Ban any mention of these sites on your forums. Don't write anything positive about them. Don't promote them.
To Users
It is time to unite against such sites and practices. Boycott STN and Vizz. Make negative and boycott threads like these on all the respective forums you have.
To The Scene
All the scene groups should boycott and ban these two site and under no circumstances allow your releases to be uploaded on this site. Ban and restrict anybody doing so. Remember these sites are exploiting your hard work. Remember such sites are a real enemy of the scene as they would necessarily attract all the Govt authorities towards the scene.
To The Forums, Blogs and News sites
Ban any mention of these sites on your forums. Don't write anything positive about them. Don't promote them.
Ellie Marieee :)
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They certainly need to be set adrift from our community. They are poison to anyone they are connected to. That includes members, sites, and "The Scene". Bad news!
However, I am not sold on the idea to share their personal info. Others may have different thoughts, but by doing so, once arrested they would be far more likely to share info on others or other sites. Bad karma if you ask me.
However, I am not sold on the idea to share their personal info. Others may have different thoughts, but by doing so, once arrested they would be far more likely to share info on others or other sites. Bad karma if you ask me.
ghostinthecrowd
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Well said^^.
I, personally, have no illusions in what I'm doing when I download another movie/album/game/etc. I am fully aware that I am depriving a content provider of potential revenue. If not for freely available files on the Internet, I would definitely be spending more on movies/music/games/etc. I definitely do not "file share" because I feel like sharing something with random people. Not to say that I don't share, I've uploaded literally thousands of ebooks/music/movies to various trackers, but it is definitely not the driving force behind my piracy.
I'm sorry OP, but your opening statements seem incredibly naive. I really don't think these two sites could possibly attract more attention to BT trackers than TPB already has, who I'm sure generate much more revenue than STN or Vizz ever could. And, I wouldn't go so far as to state that they are selling other people's property. As far as I can tell they are simply offering membership for a fee. It's not really that different than the means used by other more popular trackers to generate revenue. I mean, I've seen numerous people here in these forums actually encourage those looking for a specific tracker to pay someone to buy the invite from the tracker, which will remain nameless, for $20 (or whatever the actual cost is).
I personally wouldn't pay for STN's or Vizz's service, but I'm sure there are quite a few people (read 1000s) who would jump at this chance. Especially in the case of STN, who it seems provide something distinct from most other trackers, nearly direct scene access. That is, if their claims in regard to requests are true.
If it's true that the group that runs STN also runs a number of P2L topsites, it actually seems like a logical extension for STN to go this route...a scene topsite accessed via BT, essentially.
I, personally, have no illusions in what I'm doing when I download another movie/album/game/etc. I am fully aware that I am depriving a content provider of potential revenue. If not for freely available files on the Internet, I would definitely be spending more on movies/music/games/etc. I definitely do not "file share" because I feel like sharing something with random people. Not to say that I don't share, I've uploaded literally thousands of ebooks/music/movies to various trackers, but it is definitely not the driving force behind my piracy.
I'm sorry OP, but your opening statements seem incredibly naive. I really don't think these two sites could possibly attract more attention to BT trackers than TPB already has, who I'm sure generate much more revenue than STN or Vizz ever could. And, I wouldn't go so far as to state that they are selling other people's property. As far as I can tell they are simply offering membership for a fee. It's not really that different than the means used by other more popular trackers to generate revenue. I mean, I've seen numerous people here in these forums actually encourage those looking for a specific tracker to pay someone to buy the invite from the tracker, which will remain nameless, for $20 (or whatever the actual cost is).
I personally wouldn't pay for STN's or Vizz's service, but I'm sure there are quite a few people (read 1000s) who would jump at this chance. Especially in the case of STN, who it seems provide something distinct from most other trackers, nearly direct scene access. That is, if their claims in regard to requests are true.
If it's true that the group that runs STN also runs a number of P2L topsites, it actually seems like a logical extension for STN to go this route...a scene topsite accessed via BT, essentially.
First of all thanks to all those who supported the idea to discourage such sites. By doing this we are actually protecting the other really great torrent sites. We have already lost a few big ones.
Apparently it looks so but deep down there, there is some bridge between the scene and the bit-torrent. If it was not so then sites like SCT, SCC, GFT would not have been possible. Look at the regular great pretimes of these sites. It is not leakage but a planned access to the source. Let us look at this in another way. Let us assume that the scene is not happy with the torrent sites in reality. But why?. Because they feel more exposed due to their releases being uploaded on torrent sites. The worst case is Public Trackers. Now come to the case of STN and Vizz. Both of these are trying to run their trackers like retail businesses. This is an alarming trend. With the success of these sites prepare yourself for a mushroom growth of such sites on large scale overnight. All that activity would generate unwanted interest from many unwanted people and Agencies etc etc. So these are really a greater threat for the scene.
Thanks for the infractions. I admit the charges were correct and I should have been more careful in my writing. I admit to incite people to publish personal information of such trackers was rather careless.
But the quotes taken from my post by you were presented in your post in a discriminating way. I reproduce them here:-
The words of thieves were not used generally but in context to the sites quoted. If you would take sentences like these from a paragraph without any reference to in what sense they were used then every sentence wrote on this site would seem ironic to you.
And about the scene hard work! i really appreciate their work. These are the people who take risk and who do a lot of hard work in coding, cracking , reversing etc etc. And then people like STN and Vizz come to exploit their hard work and also put them in danger in the process of making some money for their own personal gains.
I have not just said but gave ample reasons for my saying so if the reason or logic was wrong then prove it or counter it. But if the reasons/logic was correct then why you don't accept it.Are you illogical.
If this trend continues I am afraid you would not have the luxury of doing so. Whether the sites are shit or not you would have to use it for some time because you had already made advnace payment for it.
The scene generally boycotts P2P and bittorrent trackers because of the reasons you stated. I don't think there's a need to address that.
The scene releases you see on every tracker were leaked and uploaded without approval. It's just that they can't control everyone who has access to their servers.
But of course you're right. Users should stay away from those sites.
Apparently it looks so but deep down there, there is some bridge between the scene and the bit-torrent. If it was not so then sites like SCT, SCC, GFT would not have been possible. Look at the regular great pretimes of these sites. It is not leakage but a planned access to the source. Let us look at this in another way. Let us assume that the scene is not happy with the torrent sites in reality. But why?. Because they feel more exposed due to their releases being uploaded on torrent sites. The worst case is Public Trackers. Now come to the case of STN and Vizz. Both of these are trying to run their trackers like retail businesses. This is an alarming trend. With the success of these sites prepare yourself for a mushroom growth of such sites on large scale overnight. All that activity would generate unwanted interest from many unwanted people and Agencies etc etc. So these are really a greater threat for the scene.
Thanks for the infractions. I admit the charges were correct and I should have been more careful in my writing. I admit to incite people to publish personal information of such trackers was rather careless.
But the quotes taken from my post by you were presented in your post in a discriminating way. I reproduce them here:-
The words of thieves were not used generally but in context to the sites quoted. If you would take sentences like these from a paragraph without any reference to in what sense they were used then every sentence wrote on this site would seem ironic to you.
And about the scene hard work! i really appreciate their work. These are the people who take risk and who do a lot of hard work in coding, cracking , reversing etc etc. And then people like STN and Vizz come to exploit their hard work and also put them in danger in the process of making some money for their own personal gains.
I have not just said but gave ample reasons for my saying so if the reason or logic was wrong then prove it or counter it. But if the reasons/logic was correct then why you don't accept it.Are you illogical.
If this trend continues I am afraid you would not have the luxury of doing so. Whether the sites are shit or not you would have to use it for some time because you had already made advnace payment for it.
We can try to change it and if not then at least can think about it. You should read my previous post carefully I have talked about educating the people about the correct way of filesharing. I have talked about trackers posting messages like "buy it if you like it" etc etc. This may bring the change or vice versa. I never tire to think positively well some people never tire to think negatively also!
When I download and then seed back a file i actually share it whether I think so or not.
When I download and then seed back a file i actually share it whether I think so or not.
May I ask why?
Ace_Killington
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The scene generally boycotts P2P and bittorrent trackers because of the reasons you stated. I don't think there's a need to address that.
The scene releases you see on every tracker were leaked and uploaded without approval. It's just that they can't control everyone who has access to their servers.
But of course you're right. Users should stay away from those sites.
ninjamasta2k
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I don't see how I took the quotes out of context.How' is this for a generalization, people who file share are thieves , people who operate trackers are greater thieves still and sceners are the greatest thieves of intellectual property of all.
Fuck you make it sound like STN is alone their guilt and the rest of us are just good old boys who have nothing to be ashamed of.
Btw the scene is not an altruistic entity blessing us with it's generosity.There are some seriously bad people involved .Some who would gladly see you rot in Hell if it served their egos and helped move them up the food chain a little.
The scene also as a whole hates file shares and any scener who leaks to a tracker I am fairly confident does so purely with some "personal gain" in mind
While I'm at it here's another out of context manglement for you to stew on.
"And about the
OK most trackers don't do it for the money but nevertheless can't you see the hypocrisy that you are spouting here ?"
lol the site appears to be swedish.
http://www.db.ripe.net/whois?form_t...ring=&searchtext=88.80.29.18&do_search=Search
And from what I hear,APB doesn't mess around when it comes to piracy and if I was these guys I'd reconsider this P2L idea(https://tips.fbi.gov -they'd love those ftp links if you can find them-)
All in the topic of torrent sites though,he say she say them say I heard tells me that djgrr had his sct account deleted(lolfuckinwut! :lol 
,wonder what's up with that,more so whether its a confirmation of the rumors and what people assumed all along .If I was feeling I'd want to clarify this before more rumors and imagination get the best of people.
And today seems like a good day,kat stumbled upon a 2.6TB ftp with like 60% BD/BD+/BD++ flicks,now how fuckin rare of a find is that.Should probably start a blu-ray tracker with this shit just to see how long this e-peen thing can get.
http://www.db.ripe.net/whois?form_t...ring=&searchtext=88.80.29.18&do_search=Search
And from what I hear,APB doesn't mess around when it comes to piracy and if I was these guys I'd reconsider this P2L idea(https://tips.fbi.gov -they'd love those ftp links if you can find them-)
All in the topic of torrent sites though,he say she say them say I heard tells me that djgrr had his sct account deleted(lolfuckinwut! :lol
,wonder what's up with that,more so whether its a confirmation of the rumors and what people assumed all along .If I was feeling I'd want to clarify this before more rumors and imagination get the best of people.And today seems like a good day,kat stumbled upon a 2.6TB ftp with like 60% BD/BD+/BD++ flicks,now how fuckin rare of a find is that.Should probably start a blu-ray tracker with this shit just to see how long this e-peen thing can get.
jake1236987
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Crγstαl™ ($$$]
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At present we would very soon be seeing threads like "How to delete my account on STN and Vizz". They are refusing to delete the accounts of their members. If the authorities find about the members who subscribed I don't know a single clause of law which would protect them from fines up to the extent of thousands of dollars/pounds.
Caution to parents! Check your young children activities if they had signed on these sites you would be in serious potential danger.
Am I the only one to see the irony here? You should write anti-filesharing copy for the MPAA and the music industry.:dry:
uzamakigirl
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sct needs boycoting if they keep this shit up, month after month
lol I'd go live on a yacht with that kind of income(and its not even end month yet so x2 that :lol: ).
Would probably get some playboy bunnies as well and take them with me on a get naked trip to those european countries that only rich people know about(usually with alot of consonants,can't even pronounce them).Its actually what l33+ carders do(but the stories always have a sad ending).
I'd physically follow formula 1 as well G-fiveing from continent to continent just like a real l33+.
I'd also upgrade my dreams to HD and FLAC respectively.
And just to remind myself that its not legal money,I'd use the rest to setup a ponzi scheme possibly in partnership with an NYU graduate whom I hear are darn good at this.
Agnes Pingkan L
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I would LOVE to see some scenenotice pwnage come from the scene for these two sites, I hope it happens before they make too much profit.