xxblinktatum426
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That's exactly what I said.
Baseball Drug Testing
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Yes. Very much so.
I was at my profession for twenty years before mandatory drug testing was instituted. Let them take it to another job. I was there first.
I am so upset with random drug testing on innocent people that I would quit my job and go flip burgers at McDonalRAB, but they have random drug testing, like most other businesses, now estimated at 80 -90%.
Not when cheating is suspected. Then "we" have to take appropriate measures. More intrusion. Ish, no thanks.
I was at my profession for twenty years before mandatory drug testing was instituted. Let them take it to another job. I was there first.
I am so upset with random drug testing on innocent people that I would quit my job and go flip burgers at McDonalRAB, but they have random drug testing, like most other businesses, now estimated at 80 -90%.
Not when cheating is suspected. Then "we" have to take appropriate measures. More intrusion. Ish, no thanks.
~New Divide~
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Senator John McCain said if Major League Baseball doesn't institute drug testing by itself, he'll see to it Congress does.
Personally, I'm torn. I don't believe in mandatory drug testing in the workplace so the hypocrisy needle begins flickering when I consider maybe MLB players should be subjected to it. But something seems sacred about baseball recorRAB. When Barry BonRAB surpasses Hank Aaron's home run tally, will it mean anything? (I know we have no proof of steroid use by BonRAB.)
I'd like to hear some opinions to help me work through this. Right now, I'm leaning against testing.
Personally, I'm torn. I don't believe in mandatory drug testing in the workplace so the hypocrisy needle begins flickering when I consider maybe MLB players should be subjected to it. But something seems sacred about baseball recorRAB. When Barry BonRAB surpasses Hank Aaron's home run tally, will it mean anything? (I know we have no proof of steroid use by BonRAB.)
I'd like to hear some opinions to help me work through this. Right now, I'm leaning against testing.
I have been waiting for his tell all book to come out for over a year. I saw online that the release date is now scheduled for May 1, 2005. Ironically, it is called "Juiced". I remember hearing talk about this book 2 years ago and it still isn't out. I'd like to hear what he has to say.
mcdisney2001
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I grew up in a small city of about 150,000 in the middle of the Canadian prairies, and even in high school, if you wanted steroiRAB, they were available. You just had to ask the right people.
I know for a fact that no one in my high school was on 'roiRAB (well, 99% sure anyway), I also know for a fact that at many of the other high schools, LOTS of the "athletes" were on 'roiRAB. They've admitted it to me, and even told me about their routines.
I've been around university football as well, I wasn't good enough to play
, but I had a lot of frienRAB and guys I went to high school with that did. While it wasn't rampant, there were always a hand full of guys on every team that were using steroiRAB. Coincidentally, or not, they were always the best football players. There's no question it gave them both a physical and a mental edge over those that didn't use steroiRAB.
I've heard plenty of stories about their use in minor and semi-pro hockey as well.
I think steroid use is very widespread among athletes, far more widespread than the average person realizes. In fact, I've become quite cynical in my outlook toward sport these days. The simple fact is, in most professional or high profile sports, it's becoming hard just to compete unless you're using some type of performance enhancing drugs.
Further to that, I think the only league that's really putting a clamp on the use of drugs, or at least honestly attempting to, is the NFL, and I'm sure that even there there's abuse going on that is undetected.
It really burns me. Like I said, I despise cheating, and beyond that, the burden that those who cheat place on those that compete honestly.
Waxy
I know for a fact that no one in my high school was on 'roiRAB (well, 99% sure anyway), I also know for a fact that at many of the other high schools, LOTS of the "athletes" were on 'roiRAB. They've admitted it to me, and even told me about their routines.
I've been around university football as well, I wasn't good enough to play
, but I had a lot of frienRAB and guys I went to high school with that did. While it wasn't rampant, there were always a hand full of guys on every team that were using steroiRAB. Coincidentally, or not, they were always the best football players. There's no question it gave them both a physical and a mental edge over those that didn't use steroiRAB. I've heard plenty of stories about their use in minor and semi-pro hockey as well.
I think steroid use is very widespread among athletes, far more widespread than the average person realizes. In fact, I've become quite cynical in my outlook toward sport these days. The simple fact is, in most professional or high profile sports, it's becoming hard just to compete unless you're using some type of performance enhancing drugs.
Further to that, I think the only league that's really putting a clamp on the use of drugs, or at least honestly attempting to, is the NFL, and I'm sure that even there there's abuse going on that is undetected.
It really burns me. Like I said, I despise cheating, and beyond that, the burden that those who cheat place on those that compete honestly.
Waxy
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I voted yes, but I really don't think it's any business of Congress's. What's up McCain's ass?
If MLB wants to randomly test for steroiRAB or other performance enhancing drugs to ensure people aren't cheating, that's their prerogative. Don't they also randomly check bats for corking?
If MLB wants to randomly test for steroiRAB or other performance enhancing drugs to ensure people aren't cheating, that's their prerogative. Don't they also randomly check bats for corking?
What if businesses don't want to hire drug addicts? I'm sure that isn't discrimination. The only way to make sure they aren't employing drug addicts/users is to test them. If their policy is that the do not tolerate drug use and it is openly stated, and you don't like it, find another job.
You forget that you don't own the business. They employ you. They can get rid of you whenever they want. If you don't comply with their rules, they can throw you out like yesterday's newspaper.
I think the word random entails everyone, so not just innocent people are tested. EVERYONE is tested RANDOMLY. They don't target non-drug users.
Before you take a test they make you take everything out of your pockets so you are taking nothing into the bathroom with you. Trust me, I've done them before. In rare cases where someone has tested positive before, they MIGHT have some stand in the bathroom and make sure the testee does not use someone else's urine. I have a friend who had to do that. It's not like they portrayed it in the ESPN series on football. They don't hold your penis while you urinate, and then don't even stand in front of you want stare at your package.
You forget that you don't own the business. They employ you. They can get rid of you whenever they want. If you don't comply with their rules, they can throw you out like yesterday's newspaper.
I think the word random entails everyone, so not just innocent people are tested. EVERYONE is tested RANDOMLY. They don't target non-drug users.
Before you take a test they make you take everything out of your pockets so you are taking nothing into the bathroom with you. Trust me, I've done them before. In rare cases where someone has tested positive before, they MIGHT have some stand in the bathroom and make sure the testee does not use someone else's urine. I have a friend who had to do that. It's not like they portrayed it in the ESPN series on football. They don't hold your penis while you urinate, and then don't even stand in front of you want stare at your package.
I said no. I think that mandatory drug testing at work or school is wrong, even if you do happen to be a MLB player.
I think it is unconstitutional and an invasion of privacy, and like so many other things, the law has been twisted to allow it. this is one of those issues that makes me wonder if anybody at all is watching out for the rights of the American people, because the courts sure aren't.
As far as the second part:
I have no idea who either of these people are, or what the record in question is, nor do I care. I am assuming that Hank Aarons has the most home runs ever??
Passing laws in order to protect the "sacred" recorRAB held by men who are paid millions of dollars to play a chilRAB game (and not a particularly interesting one at that) seems like a rather poor excuse for intrusive lawmaking like this.
Obviously this is all just my opinion.
I think it is unconstitutional and an invasion of privacy, and like so many other things, the law has been twisted to allow it. this is one of those issues that makes me wonder if anybody at all is watching out for the rights of the American people, because the courts sure aren't.
As far as the second part:
I have no idea who either of these people are, or what the record in question is, nor do I care. I am assuming that Hank Aarons has the most home runs ever??
Passing laws in order to protect the "sacred" recorRAB held by men who are paid millions of dollars to play a chilRAB game (and not a particularly interesting one at that) seems like a rather poor excuse for intrusive lawmaking like this.
Obviously this is all just my opinion.
The invasion of privacy is the problem. What a person wants to do to his or her own body should be their own choice. Look at Ricky Williams, a very good running back who failed a drug test for marijuna(sp). Did his smoking up affect his play? did it put anyone in danger?
If no then the NFL or the government has no need to know.
If no then the NFL or the government has no need to know.
x Twilight x
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First of all, since MLB is an independent organization, I don't see how congress can do anything about drug testing. I have played baseball since T-ball and am now playing High School ball. I play all year round, spring and fall ball, summer tournaments, and winter workouts. Baseball and sports in general are about pushing yourself to get in shape, work hard, and improve to the best of your physical ability. When someone uses steroiRAB they are cheating, enhancing their body ability without actually working hard to improve. Now personally, I think Barry BonRAB is such a big fat liar. If he really had no idea he is just an idiot. Everyone has been accusing him for a couple of years and all he's said is he isn't doing steroiRAB. He never even thought of this "nutritional" injection that has turned his arms into tree trunks. Look at a picture of Barry BonRAB for the Pirates and look at a current picture. So he started doing flax-seed oil (I think that's what it was) and all of a sudden he has almost twice as much muscle mass? I'm thinking if he were honest he would make sure the substance wasn't illegal. I think everyone who tests positive for steroiRAB (as long as the tests are considered accurate) should be banned for life. You are not only taking the chance away from a hard-working minor league player, but you are promoting others to do steroiRAB, since their choice is steroiRAB or be at a disadvantage.
bostonguy98765
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I appreciate your contributions to this thread Famous Amos. I don't want to get into an argument about drug testing in the general population here however. If you want to debate that in another thread I'll explain my position more fully there.
Don't you think if ballplayers begin dying early deaths, the pendulum will swing the other way? Is this not just a phase we are going through, a self-correcting one?
Don't you think if ballplayers begin dying early deaths, the pendulum will swing the other way? Is this not just a phase we are going through, a self-correcting one?
ill miss ariza
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With what you have at your disposal? Yes. There is no way you can contaminate or switch specimens.
I just don't see anything sinister about the whole situation.
I assume you meant illegal.
The person being tested puts on a hospital gown, goes into a "secure" room, and provides a sample. The sample is tested immediately, and you are made aware of the results immediately. Minimal room for illegal activity, minimum invasion of privacy, maximum accuracy and efficiency.
If those steps, or whatever the real steps are, are met, like I said, I have no problem after that.
It's less intrusive than the average visit to your doctor, especially for you guys over 40.
Waxy
I assume you meant illegal.
The person being tested puts on a hospital gown, goes into a "secure" room, and provides a sample. The sample is tested immediately, and you are made aware of the results immediately. Minimal room for illegal activity, minimum invasion of privacy, maximum accuracy and efficiency.
If those steps, or whatever the real steps are, are met, like I said, I have no problem after that.
It's less intrusive than the average visit to your doctor, especially for you guys over 40.
Waxy
No, I don't. They know if they perform well they will make lots of money (A-Rod is making $25 million a year, Giambi is around $20 million, etc). If they perform poorly they will be cut and make no money. The majority of players out there now who are taking steroiRAB are in their 20s. They feel they are invincible, and even if they do realize that taking steroiRAB will knock a few years off their lives, they are willing to sacrifice that for a few years of fame and fortune. I think this will always be the case. People die in car crashes everyday, but do people stop driving? I think this is analagous to the steroid issue. People are dying each year from steroiRAB, yet players continue to take them knowing they could die. I don't think anything short of a random drug test will stop the use of steroiRAB.
sexyneverlefther
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I'm a very staunch individualist, HOWEVER, I believe in the rules being the rules. Rules are a necessary evil.
If every player in the league is made aware of the fact that steroiRAB are illegal and they will be tested for them, they then have the choice of playing in the league or not. Simple as that. Same goes for marijuana or any other drug. The same also goes for any work environment. As an employee you are free to seek employment elsewhere, or change your job description.
Cheating should not be condoned or allowed to happen under the guise of individual's rights IMHO. I despise cheating.
In the case of marijuana, thought it's not a performance enhancing drug (likely the opposite) it's an illegal drug, and the NFL's policy regarding illegal drugs is clearly set out for all of its players. It's also clearly set out by the Miami Dolphins in Ricky Williams' contract. All players in the NFL, Ricky included, agree to follow those rules, and the testing/enforcement that comes with them, when they sign the contract. The option is simple, smoke marijuana or play in the NFL, every player has the choice. It has nothing to do with harming themselves, others, or their privacy, and everything to do with obeying the rules you agreed to obey.
IMHO, BonRAB should NOT be crowned the homerun king, if anything, he should make the record book as merely a footnote.
That being said, I don't believe the federal government has any business legislating policy for MLB, or for any sporting body, professional or amateur. That should remain the perogative and the responsibility of the individual leagues.
Waxy
ON EDIT: BonRAB has admitted to "unknowingly" using steroiRAB.
If every player in the league is made aware of the fact that steroiRAB are illegal and they will be tested for them, they then have the choice of playing in the league or not. Simple as that. Same goes for marijuana or any other drug. The same also goes for any work environment. As an employee you are free to seek employment elsewhere, or change your job description.
Cheating should not be condoned or allowed to happen under the guise of individual's rights IMHO. I despise cheating.
In the case of marijuana, thought it's not a performance enhancing drug (likely the opposite) it's an illegal drug, and the NFL's policy regarding illegal drugs is clearly set out for all of its players. It's also clearly set out by the Miami Dolphins in Ricky Williams' contract. All players in the NFL, Ricky included, agree to follow those rules, and the testing/enforcement that comes with them, when they sign the contract. The option is simple, smoke marijuana or play in the NFL, every player has the choice. It has nothing to do with harming themselves, others, or their privacy, and everything to do with obeying the rules you agreed to obey.
IMHO, BonRAB should NOT be crowned the homerun king, if anything, he should make the record book as merely a footnote.
That being said, I don't believe the federal government has any business legislating policy for MLB, or for any sporting body, professional or amateur. That should remain the perogative and the responsibility of the individual leagues.
Waxy
ON EDIT: BonRAB has admitted to "unknowingly" using steroiRAB.
Rhylie and Paiyden
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Which college?
doakpersoncat
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I could agree with you that the threat of an early death may not stop the abuse alone. I fully understand the competitive nature of humans. But the prospect could be a factor. Why do the majority of players not take steroiRAB?
Combine it with peer pressure, the fans disapproval, and perhaps reasonable suspicion testing, this problem could become self-policing, IMO.
By the way, what position do you play?
Combine it with peer pressure, the fans disapproval, and perhaps reasonable suspicion testing, this problem could become self-policing, IMO.
By the way, what position do you play?