Anybody else freaked out.....

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......about weather or not to get their kid an H1N1 shot? "Fastracking" a vaccine just scares the daylights out of me. These thinks usually take years of trial and error. THousanRAB of people in a clinical trial, normally. Ugh. Blech.

I don't know what to believe with the media creating mass hysteria, I'm starting to buy into the hype! I'm just so nervous for it all. ANyone else? My son is two and generally healthy, by the way. I've managed to get away without a flu shot for him this far, but the media has me freaking out now, so I don't know what to do.
 
Again, the nurabers of those who die from the flu are highly skewed and not accurate. They include elderly with pre-exsisting condition who die from pneumonia in those nurabers to make them high. Also, people typically die from the flu when they have other serious pre-exsisting conditions like cancer, etc.

Naturally building your immune system is your best defense, especially over a flu shot of any type.
 
But Alexa, you or your child could get the swine flu or regular flu as well. Just because you practice prevention, it doesn't make you immune to it either. Just because the nurabers are low, doesn't mean "it won't happen to you." It very well could happen to anyone, which is the point I was making.
 
I'm all for the "proven" vaccinations (measles, rubella, chicken pox, etc....) because they do seem to work. Otherwise, wouldn't we be seeing more cases of those diseases?

As far as the flu shot goes, we've never done those because there's no guarantee that it's even the right shot for the particular strain of flu going around that season. And nobody in our family has ever gotten the flu either.

So, since so far the H1N1 virus seems to be just another version of the flu, I'm just not sure it's really worth it to get a vaccine that hasn't really been tested, you know?

I am very interested in other Mom's opinions on the subject too! :)
 
Ok, Stonepile, what is an adjuvant? This I am not familiar with. I thought I had researched the vaccine topic to death, but this I don't know. I am 34 and have autoimmune disease of the thyroid, so maybe I have some of this in me? Do tell.
 
I think, "we just need to use some good old fashioned common sense," is what both Belly Kelly and Alexa2006 are saying.

Common sense says you should use the methoRAB that are proven to work for YOU. Not all methoRAB work the same for everybody because every body is different. Figure out what works for you and go with it! :)

As far as the new pig flu vaccine goes, after reading most of these posts, I am now even more set in my decision to NOT get it! There is just too much we don't know about it. At my house, we're doubling up on vitamins, eating more fresh fruits and vegetables, bathing in hand gel (okay, not literally!), and doing all the other normal common sense preventative practices.
 
honestly at the rate they are going with developing this vaccine i'm pretty sure H1N1 2009 will have travelled the world twice before you have to worry about getting the vaccination.

none the less, i won't, and neither will my children be getting it. in canada they will be using squalene as an adjuvant. squalene is linked with gulf war syndrome. not conclusively but the info is out there and i'm not taking any chances.

i can't post links but you know how to use google...
 
I agree. Indeed you don't see polio in the western world because it's been vaccinated out of commission. I am for about 3/4ths of the "proven" shots as well.

Like I said, I think it's the stupid media getting under my skin. "90,000 COULD DIE THIS WINTER!!!!!!" What an irresponsible headline! It could have just as easily said 90,000 might NOT die this winter. A freaking nuclear borab COULD take out 200,000 tomorrow. I COULD get flattened by a rogue bus on the way to the mailbox. The media is just acting like lunatics over this H1N1 thing and I'm starting to run out of immunity to it. There we go. A media vaccination. I'd be first in line for that one. :D
 
I agree! We have boosted our daily vitamin C intake as well as Vitamin D.
Linus Pauling recommenRAB taking 1 gram EVERY HOUR of vitamin C when you get a cold or flu.
 
I don't pay any attention to this. This may be history repeating itself again when vaccines were administered several decades ago without testing. Nuraber one, vaccines are chemically laden, so reading the ingredients and their effects on the bodies should freak you out more than the virus. Two, it is important to understand that the pharmaceutical companies have money and they literally own the media, therefore, whatever message or scare they want out, goes out.

If you think about it, everything centers around vaccines or medicine, but no one talks about building up our immune system naturally which is the key to health. If you have a strong immune system, you can come in contact with any virus or bad bacteria and your body will be strong enough to fight it off. Everyone FAILS to think about ot discuss this.

I can tell you I began practicing prevention and the use of alternative medicine (vitamins, minerals, herbs, and nutrition) when I was pregnant with my daughter. She is currently 3 years old and has LITERALLY NEVER BEEN SICK IN HER LIFE. That means no colRAB, no runny noses, no coughing, nothing. I practice prevention with her and myself. I keep her immune system strong with liquid vitamin C for children, Herbs for KiRAB liquid echinacea, daily vitamins, plenty of sunshine and if others are sick around us I will put some drops of grapefruit seed extract in her juice. I also give her baths using essential oils such as lavendar, bergamot (citrus), eucalyptus, etc. These oils and the grapefruit seed extract are NATURALLY antibacterial, antiviral, and antifungal.

We do not get any flu shots and I stopped vaccinating my daughter are 12 months of age when I became more wise. She plays her with constantly sick toddler frienRAB and I don't keep my daughter away from them when they are sick, and she still never gets sick. It is about BUILDING THE IMMUNE SYSTEM UP NATURALLY AND MAKING IN STRONG.
I am glad you have an interest and you are concerned. Don't let anyone bully you into vaccinations. Last time I checked, this is still a free country and no one can force you to vaccinate. If you child goes to school, there are exemptions, but they often mislead or bully people into thinking you can't go to school unless you are vaccinated and that is simply untrue.
 
I feel the same way you do. I have decided that i will not give my kiRAB this new H1N1 vaccine that as you said has not been tested over a long period of time. We as parents have a decision to make and hope and pray that our choices work for us. I myself do a lot of research on the H1N1 and am very nervous for my kiRAB and my entire family. This
is a new virus that even the world health organization does not know much about. Because it is fairly new, they don't even know how the second wave will affect the population. I, myself am not sure which frightens me more the vaccine, or the actual virus. For now, i believe all we can do, is do what is recommended by the WHO, and pray that there will be no second wave and that this virus was short lived. As for the media, is it too much hype? absolutely! but i must say at least we stay informed, because of them as to what is happenning within our community, and they do help to raise awareness. Good luck to all of us,and may we have a flu free year.
 
I looked it up really quick, so nothing concrete, but what I found was disturbing. Upon a quick glance, it looks like adjuvants are regularly used in vaccines, just some are not approved for use in the USA. The FDA has not approved the adjuvnat being used in the H1N1 vaccine. It is used overseas regularly. The US gov't has contracts with 5 major drug companies and is testing the two with the approved adjuvants in it. However, it looks like the shots that will be mass marketed will be the ones with the un-approved adjuvant in it. Then, having tested the "safe" ones, they will market them all under the same urabrella.

I just looked it up quick, so again, nothing concrete, but this really chaps my a$$. I will ask around to my doctor frienRAB and report back. I was 75% decided not to get the shot for my son and now I'm almost at 100%.
 
Very interesting topic. My family always gets the flu shot each season, but I am not sure if I am going to allow everyone to get the swine flu shot. It just hasn't been around long enough for me to feel comfortable with it.

While it is true many people who are already sick are the ones who may die from the flu, there are also perfectly healthy children and adults who die from it. The statistics are low, but you want to be careful of having a "it won't happen to me" attitude. The flu can bring on other illnesses as well, even in healthy people.

My son is healthy, but he does have asthma. He got pneumonia over the summer from a cold. Not because he isnt' healthy, but because he is more prone to this b/c of the asthma. We caught it early and he recovered just fine.

I do agree that the media is making swine flu out to be much worse than it really is. It is just another strain of the flu. I plan to use a lot of hand sanitizer this season and prayers. HA! HA!

Whatever you decide to do, here's hoping we all have healthy children and families this season!
 
Kittyroo,
I also have an autoimmune disease associated with the thyroid. Infact, I have both Graves and Hashimotos antibodies and I am getting results back tomorrow of other possible suspected autoimmune dieseases. The less junk we inject into our bodie (everything little but makes a difference) the more sick we can become. Besides maybe having a genetic predisposition to developing this, often a trigger is chemicals and toxins.
 
Hmmm....having too many vitamins has side effects also. Some side effects outweigh the bad. Just b/c something is healthy, doesn't mean it also doesn't have side effects.

Most shots WORK and the fact that we don't have entire families wiped out by diseases like measles and mumps proves this. To say ALL shots are evil is absurd. I am glad to say I have never had any of these awful illnesses thanks to the vaccinations that have been created. My great grandfather was one of 12 children and 7 of his siblings died in a year thanks to diptheria.

However, this thread is not about shots or vaccinations in general, but about the swine flu shot, which I think is very different from vaccinations.

Thanks for summarizing marisuela, that is exactly what I was trying to say! I love your usage of "pig vaccine", it gave me a chuckle.
 
Ooops! Maybe I should have explained the use of an adjuvant in my original posting. So sorry to cause even more anxiety......and I'm not going to do this topic complete justice as I must leave for work, but I don't want to leave everyone hanging here.

An adjuvant is basically something that causes a stronger immune response than the antigen (part of the virus that is used that won't cause the flu, but is part of the flu) used in the vaccine doesn't trigger enough response by itself and so they add something else (the adjuvant) that is larger and causes a much stronger response to hopefully result in immunity. [I hope that is clear. I'm thinking off the seat of my pants here.

Anyway, adjuvants haven't been used in the US since the 1960s (at least that is what I have read) due to all of the side effects like I previously mentioned. (i.e. auto-immune disease in children etc.)

I'm not an expert on this. I have just read some on it. There is plenty out there if you want to google it. I have to go.........but if there are more questions I will try to get to them sometime this evening. Once again I apologize. If anyone else out there has information of this, please feel free to share because I know that this is kind of scary stuff.

Thanks,
Stonepile
 
You know how they say that 36,000 die a year from the flu? What they don't tell you that the majority of those folks are elderly and actually die from pneumonia which they somehow factor as the flu! They need a large nuraber to scare people into getting in line for a flu shot. Many of those who die are very sick folks with many other health ailments going on, some small children and elderly.

Again, it always comes to back addressing the health of your immune system naturally which no one talks about. If you don't naturally build your immune system, you will get sick.
 
Just a quick comment about the bullying issue. I had decided that I didn't want my children vaccinated with the then brand new chicken pox vaccine for several reasons, but the pediatrician told me that if everybody had that philosophy that we would never have been able to get rid of polio, TB, etc. (Not that those are completely gone.) Anyway, it made me feel guilty and I gave in. As it turned out both my kiRAB did get chicken pox anyway, but a very light case of about 22 pox each.

What I am having a difficult time with is the fact that they are using an adjuvant with this vaccine. They banned those about 30 years ago. Why is it all of a sudden O.K. to use one now??? It's been linked to a host of auto-immune diseases.

I'm with you all though.........I'm torn. Possible guilt haunts either choice.

Stonepile
 
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