Alltel/AT&T divested markets

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boss hog that's old information. You can see their prediction it would close 4Q2009. They since predicted 1Q2010. Now, to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a 3Q2010 closure... if it closes at all.

This is a LONG time for an incredibly simple and should-be-obvious-rubber-stamped transaction. It may even beat the Sirius-XM transaction's 400+ day record - and they were doing something the FCC specifically said was AGAINST the license terms...
 
If it closes 3Q2010 then we are still looking at another year for everything to be switched over to 3G/GSM. It could be close to 2 years before we see a phone in MT that has native ATT signal. By then maybe VZW will be thinking of LTE in MT..
 
Sprke, while things are BAD. The FCC is proving itself indecisive and unable to look at the facts of this case - and too easily manipulated by racist, sexist (since the basic premise of their initial argument was that white males shouldn't be allowed to run the divested markets) interest groups. With that said, once the nonsense is sorted through, I fully expect things to be full speed ahead for the actual transition. Why? Because I guarantee you these markets are small potatoes and AT&T already has a plan in place so that when the transaction closes they can switchover as fast as possible.
 
I keep wondering how Cellular One is going to hang on with VZW and ATT both in MT. I'd like to see TMO come buy out Cell One, Union Wireless, and Vaero Wireless in NE. That would fill in a huge gap here in the west for Tmo. On the other hand if they did that it would be limiting choice for consumers with 3 less options.
 
sprke81 said:
If it closes 3Q2010 then we are still looking at another year for everything to be switched over to 3G/GSM.QUOTE]

PLease NO. If that happens we will be getting close to snow season and they wont even be able to start to 2q11.
 
We need to go to the FTC and start smacking heads. Seriously. This acquisition is grade school stuff and it's taking them forever. It's horrid on every level.
 
Not to dash your hopes, but Alcatel does a great deal of work on ATMs. They have many trucks that travel the highways and byways keeping that network working so that we can stop by any ATM and get out our money.

I'm not saying that they weren't there for site analysis for AT&T, but I would be more inclined to believe that they were there for ATM business.
 
Since T Mobile is in Seattle, I would presume that if they 'were' seriously considering expansion into Montana it would have happened. It wouldn't take much effort to travel I-90 from Spokane and Coeur d'Alene and place a few towers in the Missoula area as a test market (I live in Helena). I sent them a few emails in the past and they did the thanks but no thanks shuffle. With more people in downtown Seattle and Bellevue on any given work day than in All of Montana, I am going to guess that we are stuck with VZ and can only hope that AT&T sees enough of a market to provide high speed /better services in the larger markets.

About a year ago I was talking with one of the OMG whiz kids of Verizon tech (yes, very heavy on the sarcasm scale :doh: ) and was informed of the amount of work needed to successfully update VZ's network and that it was more a possibility that the LTE system would be deployed as a major state overhaul (generally because of the large contracts with various state and federal agencies). So how much was truth and how much was this person trying to impress me with his crystal ball act I just don't know. However, with the limited knowledge I have of LTE, it does seem that as long as you are going to have to update a large geographic area, it makes economic sense to wait until you can offer something substantial. After all, they are a monopoly and they know it.

I could be very wrong (which is often the case), but many of the people on this forum have a substantially greater knowledge base than your average cell phone customer (I can put myself more in that "average" category than in one of technical skills). Those that are more technically 'adept' are ones that know what can happen given a decent state of the art network, while the rest of us are just happy when we can get a signal 10 miles out of town. Doesn't it makes sense (economically) to provide the least that they can and still not anger the majority? Not to be too depressing, but my guess is that AT&T is going to put in as little as they can get by with, for as long as they can get away with it. Not because they have no regard for the customers that they acquire (especially in the rural areas), but because they presume that the majority of those customers will accept, slower, less robust service as compared to a power user in a metropolitan city that has no qualms about changing to a different carrier.
Additionally, with all the pressure that is being applied to AT&T and Verizon to keep the roaming capabilities available, they are not going to be very excited about placing state of the art equipment in locations only to have that signal used by other carriers as part of an FCC agreement to provide that access.

Dang I'm long winded!! :allred: You'd never guess that I ran for political office about a dozen years ago. :eek:

Anyway, I'll be happy when I find out what AT&T is planning since I have been on Verizon on a month to month for 5 years waiting for something better to come along. Been with VZ since they took over the State contract (A long time ago) and I hate the idea of renewing that dang 2 year contract if something better is going to come.
 
Don't you think it would be far cheaper to just buy a network thats all engineered, built out, and has customers already? If they start from scratch they would have to bicker with land owners and county zoning poeple to build towers then try and woo customers. They would lose money if they tried that in MT.. If MTPCS was looking for a buyer it seems like TMO would be the most likely candidate they both have the same kinda network.

If I was TMO I wouldn't consider MT unless an established carrier was selling their network. Just my .02 :2thumbs:
 
not to argue..but here are my .02 cents..

no. it would not be cheaper to buy a network that is engineered, built out, and customers, because the price to buy that network would not only the towers, etc.. but capital and along with other things. Just look at google, the cost of their data centers is nothing compared to what they are worth..

i think your point was it would be *easier rather than "cheaper".
 
You have an interesting idea, but I was saying (I guess without enough explanation) that I did not see the probability of TMO moving into Montana as a response to one of your previous posts that thought it would be good if they did come to Montana. Sorry about that.

I also think it may be less of CellOne looking for a buyer but instead, "if" TMO would be looking to expand to smaller markets. Again, I see no great financial gain for TMO. I presume that at this point CellOne is looking to see how long they can hold out against AT&T if (when?) they bring in their GSM network. Since the coverage map of MTPCS appears significant (just considering Montana http://www.gsmworld.com/cgi-bin/ni_map.pl?cc=us&net=mp) Is it plausible for AT&T to just purchase time on MTPCS's network without ever considering implementing their own network? And then use that of Alltel's as needed?

Anyway, sorry for the mis-communication.
 
I don't know why they would do that when the divested Alltel/ATT network covers all of Cell One's existing coverage and much more, also ATT would be moving customers to the outdated edge speeds when they are used to EVDO speeds.
I would think it would be the other way around with ATT providing Cell One roaming in some of their huge coverage holes in the eastern part of the state. Currently Cell One don't allow in-market roaming on Alltel so it probably won't happen on ATT either.
 
"I don't know why they would do that when the divested Alltel/ATT network covers all of Cell One's existing coverage and much more"

No, it doesn't, actually. There are a few exceptions. For example, CellularOne has much better coverage from Missoula to Clearwater Junction - including the extremely upscale (and detested by most Montanans for their attempts to trademark "The Last Best Place") Paws Up guest ranch.

CellularOne also has better (but still terrible) coverage of Highway 83 from Bigfork to Clearwater Junction. They have the only coverage in Lincoln, MT.

Just to name a few small places Cellular One actually is better. In terms of the bigger picture though, they're tiny and insignificant unless you happen to be someone who spends large amounts of time in them.
 
It wouldn't be a shocker if T-mobile did pick start looking to pick up networks in the more rural areas. They just picked up the last remains of Unicel; the company bought was Wireless Alliance with networks in Sioux City, Fargo, and Duluth and surrounding areas.
 
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