DeutscheMann7
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I am by nature a skeptic, but I am also very gifted with math and science. I know many people do not believe there could or is life out in the universe, and so on, but for me I can't imagine how life could not exist. So if you are someone who thinks alien life is impossible just skip this. I am very familiar with Frank Drake's equation, and when one considers 75% of our water came from comets, and we know from the recovered camera on the moon that microbial life can survive space. It seem very logical, given a Universe ~14B years old, and our planet only 4B of that, that life surely could have had many life-spans elsewhere. I think the problem is intelligent life. My internal guess is that we would find only 1 in 1 Billion plus planets with life to have intelligent life. My guess comes from the number of life forms that existed here that reach the point to plant a flag on the moon. So even with that, 10B^10B+ suns out there, that is enough 0's to make a book.
Anyway, I do agree with Mr. Hawking that sending a pulsar-star map saying "here we are" is kind of like throwing your window out the window in a random neighborhood. Eventually WE will be these evil invading aliens, so why no another race who got their start 6 Billion years ago? Can you even begin to imagine the technology advancements of 2 billion years? We won't even look like we do now. In fact, we would probably look closer to the "grays" given our life-style trends. Look outside? ewww!
First, would an alien race want our planet? The answer is you bet! Would you pick up a $20 bill on the floor? Our planet has an incredible supply of Hydrogen. The building block amazing element locked in our oceans. Not only Hydrogen, but the temperate climate is very ideal. So my personal assumption is that if an alien race existed, knew about us, and could get here....well.....
I laugh when I see movies which show us out-smarting an alien race, especially writing a computer virus to a "mother-ship" talk about Bill Gates pulling overtime.. I thought of how silly it would be for a caveman to throw a spear at a tank. He doesn't know it isn't an animal, he doesn't know what a diesel engine is, he doesn't know what a shell is, the list goes on. Being an electronic engineer, we can't even keep up with our own code and processors, let alone one 100 to 2 billion years advanced. Anyway, I digress. There are a lot of theories about what would happen if an alien race came upon us and wanted to rid the ants (us). The odds that their natural home atmosphere being even remotely like ours is way too small. Unless they want to preserve any life, which is pretty useless really, they would most likely simply terraform our atmosphere, killing everyone, no matter where you hide, or what altitude you try to escape to. Suppose theirs is 7% Oxygen, 20% CO2, 3% ammonium gas, 60% Nitrogen, and 10% Helium. How long would you last in that atmosphere? So all the Hollywood sci-fi about infantry like devices with shields are so unnecessary. Even worse, perhaps they just remove our atmosphere, or ionosphere. Simple. This is how we would know we are done for. The US gov. is not going to tell us there is a massive mother-ship full of aliens who are looking for a new home, or to fuel up at our big blue 7/11. So perhaps we notice odd shapes in the sky and within hours everyone is coughing up blood, and passes out. Then maybe they scorch the earth to rid all the bodies, which wouldn't rot since the planet would be sterile. Fresh start. Isn't this what we do to new places we want to build? If you where an ant in an anthill where a new hotel is planned who is going to win? The movie Skyline I think was great for special effects, but mainly for one thing. We didn't win. Let's face it, an advanced civilization is not going to consider us equals, or worth negotiating with, no more than we would with the ants.
This is just my opinion. I welcome arguments....
I would assume 2 billion years from now we could master worm-holes. Even 100,000 years we would probably be there. So popping in and out of places should be a child's toy with a limiter on it so their parents can set the desitinations. We already know we can manipulate space-time. It is only a matter of time before we build it. First we have to stop burning rotting black goo from the earth for fuel though.
Let me clarify, no I do not believe in flying saucers zapping people with lasers or rectum probing. But some do because if you can write a book about it and it sells, and pays your bills, why not? I would imagine an alien race billions of years ahead of us would know our entire genenome sequence within seconds of observing the planet's atmosphere and readily available resources. i.g. with all that water, I would think life is 75% water, just like the land/water ratio. Also 75% of lights will show people living near large water masses. We evolved, but didn't want to give up our ocean front property for a reason. Ask yourself what attracts you to visiting the ocean.
Anyway, I do agree with Mr. Hawking that sending a pulsar-star map saying "here we are" is kind of like throwing your window out the window in a random neighborhood. Eventually WE will be these evil invading aliens, so why no another race who got their start 6 Billion years ago? Can you even begin to imagine the technology advancements of 2 billion years? We won't even look like we do now. In fact, we would probably look closer to the "grays" given our life-style trends. Look outside? ewww!
First, would an alien race want our planet? The answer is you bet! Would you pick up a $20 bill on the floor? Our planet has an incredible supply of Hydrogen. The building block amazing element locked in our oceans. Not only Hydrogen, but the temperate climate is very ideal. So my personal assumption is that if an alien race existed, knew about us, and could get here....well.....
I laugh when I see movies which show us out-smarting an alien race, especially writing a computer virus to a "mother-ship" talk about Bill Gates pulling overtime.. I thought of how silly it would be for a caveman to throw a spear at a tank. He doesn't know it isn't an animal, he doesn't know what a diesel engine is, he doesn't know what a shell is, the list goes on. Being an electronic engineer, we can't even keep up with our own code and processors, let alone one 100 to 2 billion years advanced. Anyway, I digress. There are a lot of theories about what would happen if an alien race came upon us and wanted to rid the ants (us). The odds that their natural home atmosphere being even remotely like ours is way too small. Unless they want to preserve any life, which is pretty useless really, they would most likely simply terraform our atmosphere, killing everyone, no matter where you hide, or what altitude you try to escape to. Suppose theirs is 7% Oxygen, 20% CO2, 3% ammonium gas, 60% Nitrogen, and 10% Helium. How long would you last in that atmosphere? So all the Hollywood sci-fi about infantry like devices with shields are so unnecessary. Even worse, perhaps they just remove our atmosphere, or ionosphere. Simple. This is how we would know we are done for. The US gov. is not going to tell us there is a massive mother-ship full of aliens who are looking for a new home, or to fuel up at our big blue 7/11. So perhaps we notice odd shapes in the sky and within hours everyone is coughing up blood, and passes out. Then maybe they scorch the earth to rid all the bodies, which wouldn't rot since the planet would be sterile. Fresh start. Isn't this what we do to new places we want to build? If you where an ant in an anthill where a new hotel is planned who is going to win? The movie Skyline I think was great for special effects, but mainly for one thing. We didn't win. Let's face it, an advanced civilization is not going to consider us equals, or worth negotiating with, no more than we would with the ants.
This is just my opinion. I welcome arguments....
I would assume 2 billion years from now we could master worm-holes. Even 100,000 years we would probably be there. So popping in and out of places should be a child's toy with a limiter on it so their parents can set the desitinations. We already know we can manipulate space-time. It is only a matter of time before we build it. First we have to stop burning rotting black goo from the earth for fuel though.
Let me clarify, no I do not believe in flying saucers zapping people with lasers or rectum probing. But some do because if you can write a book about it and it sells, and pays your bills, why not? I would imagine an alien race billions of years ahead of us would know our entire genenome sequence within seconds of observing the planet's atmosphere and readily available resources. i.g. with all that water, I would think life is 75% water, just like the land/water ratio. Also 75% of lights will show people living near large water masses. We evolved, but didn't want to give up our ocean front property for a reason. Ask yourself what attracts you to visiting the ocean.