1992 Ducati Paso 907IE

hollyywoodwhore

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Ok so I posted right below this about a pantah and now I found this....anyone have any adivce on this bike? Its a 1992 Ducati Paso 907IE in tricolore....

"Staintune exhaust, Corbin seat, European tail light, MBP collets, Bar risers, Runs and looks excellent. $3850"

any thoughts on this?
 
Pm mrinflux . He is our know all about Paso's. Elton will have all the answers you need about this bike. He may even have one for sale. I think he is going to liquidate his collection. Just ask.
 
If it has a 16" front wheel I'd say no thank you.

Mileage I suspect would be high ?? Any history ?

As Ted said... oops.. Sir Ted, Elton is your man.
 
Alex,

First off, a bit of historical information about one of the most unique motorcycles Ducati ever made:

Designed by renowned Massimo Tamburini and named after road racer Renzo Pasolini, the Paso was originally released in 1987 as a fully-faired, air-cooled, carbureted 750cc bike with 16" inch wheels. Borrowing styling cues from the Bimota DB1, (another Tamburini design from the same era), the Paso's fully enclosed fairing design evoked strong criticism, both pro and con. Some loved it; many hated it. In addition to controversial styling, the Paso suffered from some significant mechanical design defects. Notably, the carburation system, (which utilized an automotive-style dual barrel Weber carburator), never worked properly, and the 16" inch wheels caused poor handling and body works that dragged during hard cornering. Additionally, the air-cooled engine ran hot inside the full body works.

In 1990, Ducati increased engine capacity on the Paso to 904cc, upgraded to a six speed transmission, and switched to water-cooling. Notwithstanding an engine displacement of 904cc, Ducati named the new Paso "906" rather than "904" in recognition of the new six speed transmission. (An alternate theory holds that Ducati went with "906" rather than "904" because "906" was more symetrical and looked better on the body works. A numerical palindrome, if you will.) With increased displacement and water cooling, the new 906 Paso was more powerful and ran cooler, but still suffered from carburation problems, bad handling, and body works that dragged in the turns.

After only one year, Ducati discontinued the 906 and released the 907ie in 1991. This was the final evolution of the Paso and was truly a huge improvement. Responding to customer complaints as well as road and track test data, Ducati abandoned the unworkable Weber carburator used on the earlier Pasos and replaced it with electronic fuel injection, (the "ie" designation standing for "iniezione eletronica"). Additionally, the 16" inch wheels were ditched in favor of 17" inch three spoke Brembos, and the front brake calipers were upgraded to 4 piston Brembos, (the Brembo parts being taken from the 851 parts bin.) Other upgrades included an improved exhaust system with equal length exhaust manifolds and improved suspension, front and rear.

The new 907ie was significantly faster, handled much better, and ran much better. Gone were the carburation glitches and bad handling. With the 17" inch wheels, clearance was no longer an issue and body works no longer rubbed in hard cornering. And with the same body lines and inovative styling as earlier Pasos, the 907ie gave up nothing in looks to the previous Pasos. Unfortunately, the upgrades were too late. Owing to the design defects of earlier Pasos, Ducatisti had turned their back on the Paso by the time Ducati got it right with the 907ie, and after only three years, ('91-'93), and a total production of 2,303 units, the 907ie was discontinued.

Now, with regard to the 907ie TriColore you're looking at:

I've been following all the 907s sold on e-bay for the past three years. Almost all sold for between 4 and 5 thousand dollars, depending on the milage, condition and after-market upgrades. The following upgrades are common:

exhaust cans
air cleaner
racing chip
bar risers
chain wheels (sprokets)
braided brake and clutch lines
corbin seat
euro taillight
fender elimination kit
clutch cover

These upgrades alone cost a couple of thousand dollars, so factor their presence or absence when shopping.

Other less common, (and more expensive), upgrades include:

dzus fasteners
rear suspension
master cylinder
brakes/rotors
marchesini rims (2 grand minimum just for this!)
clutch and/or slipper clutch
high compression pistons
944 kit

Obviously, the presence of any of these upgrades increases value significantly. Also, if upgrades have been made, the original OEM parts should be included in the deal. Their absence decreases the value of the bike.

Generally, red is the most desirable color, and red 907s typically sell for more than black 907s, even though black 907s are much rarer. Re-paints and custom paint jobs decrease value significantly.

Milage is important. Under 15,000 is good; under 10,000 is great. More than 30,000 is high and decreases value.

'91s are the least desirable; '93s are the most desirable. After model year "91, Ducati upgraded the brakes/rotors and switched from black to silver exhaust cans.

Check the condition of body plastic carefully. Older bikes often show stress fractures at or near the fasteners. Replacement body plastic is hard to come by and expensive. And even if you find it, the paint may not match well.

Check the condition of the paint. The painting process for the 907 is complicated and not easily replicated. It's not a simple matter of buying touch-up paint or ordering paint with paint codes. Paint problems decrease value substantially; conversly, good paint enhances value.

Mechanically, check for maintenance records. Pay attention to valve and timing-belt maintenance. Ducati recommends that the valve timing belts be changed every 7,500 miles or two years, which ever comes first. This job is expensive. If the bike you're considering needs new belts, this decreases its value. Make sure the bike idles and accelerates smoothly, w/o back fire. Fuel mapping problems can be difficult to diagnose and expensive to repair.

Finally, consider who the current and former owners are/were. There are always exceptions, but generally speaking, 907s owned by "mature" riders haven't been ridden as hard, have fresher engines, and probably less repairs and headaches down the road. Young bucks tend to ride harder, causing greater wear and tear on engine, suspension, brakes, and chasis.

Alex, the bike you're looking at is priced low for a 907ie. One of the issues is the "Tricolore" repaint. If you like that, (and I admit, it looks pretty darned nice!), then you won't care about the fact that it's a repaint. But from a value perspective, this non-original paint job signifcantly decreases the value of this bike.

Also, what is the milage on this bike? And when were the belts last done? Timing belts have to be changed on the Paso every two years, even if they have little or no running time on them. Expect to spend upwards of a thousand dollars for this job. (The belts themselves don't cost that much to swap out, but once the mechanic is in there, it makes sense to adjust the valves, and what the hell, change the oil, clean the air filter, etc...trust me when I tell you, you'll spend a grand when all is said and done!)

I like the Staintune exhaust, but make sure the bike has been re-chipped for the exhaust. 907ies running aftermarket cans without the EPROM chip and free-flowing exhaust usually have fueling/idling issues. If this bike has the Staintune cans but the OEM chip, it'll probably run poorly. And you'll have a Hell of a time finding an EPROM chip for this bike!

Good luck with your purchase! If you're interested in a red one rather than the Tricolore you're currently looking at, pm me and we'll talk.

Here's a pic of one of my 907ies:

Elton
 
The price of older Ducatis is on the increase with some bevels (750 sport, 750 GT, 750/900 SS) starting to get beyond the reach of the average punter.

Good alternatives are the 860 GT series (albeit being very ugly bikes), Darmah (especially the SSD), S2 (especially the mille), MHR (getting up in price), Pantah (the 500 is too slow for my liking, the 650 the pick but harder to come by and the 600 the easiest to come by), F1 (very desirable, great fun to ride (one of my favourite Ducs) and escalating in value). I know little about the Paso. Avoid the parallel twins. Singles are good but are quite desirable and as such no longer cheap. The 350 desmo is supposed to be the pick.

With the bevels there is a reproduction and spare parts industry world wide so it is not to difficult to get parts.

Unfortunately, the same can't be said for the early belts which are too new to spawn a reproduction and spares industry. that's not to say that parts aren't available just that they may be harder to come by.

have a look at www.bevelheaven.com. Steve's business is bevel drive Ducatis and he is great to deal with. Another resource is www,ducatimeccanica.com.

there are also lists for both bevels and pantahs
bevelheads to subscribe or unsubscribe visit www.micapeak.com/mailman/listinfo/bevelheads
 
mrinflux is right about the 1987 750 Paso. I love mine to death but the carbs are shit, wheels are to small, and I'm having some electrical problems. Seems my clock is draining the batt. Can't leave the batt connected longer than about 3 days or so without it draining. I don't think I can disconnect the clock because the wires are ran in series or series parallel.... can't remember which. Basically it's like taking out a light bulb on the old Christmas lights. Once that one is out the whole chain goes out.

Good luck with it!
 
Duc-Moto,

The clock on the Paso instrument panel has always been a problem. The problem is not with your electrical system. The problem is that the clock, (which is rumored to have come from the Fiat parts bin), draws too much juice! The end result being that the Paso must be connected to a Battery Tender when not in use or your battery will be dead in a few days. And, "yes," you're right, there's no easy way to disconnect the clock.

Just one of the delightful idiosyncracies that is Ducati.

Elton
 
Thanks Elton! Now I know that it was a systemic problem with it and not something I did to it over the years. I do keep the batt tender on it when not in use. Will that hurt the batt if its on there too long? Week plus?

Mike
 
Mike,

No. Keeping the battery tender on for extended periods of time will do no damage to your battery. Once the battery is fully charged, the Battery Tender kicks off, and won't resume charging until it senses a drop in output. This is perfect for the Paso; as soon as the clock discharges the battery a bit, the Tender will re-charge. Once fully charged, the Tender will turn off.


I keep all my bikes on Battery Tenders whenever I'm not riding. All the time. No exceptions. My batteries last for years. Imo, not using a Battery Tender with a Ducati is asking for trouble.

Elton
 
I appreciate the help Elton. I haven't had my Paso out in a long time so I've always been a little skeptical about taking it on a long trip and ending up stuck somewhere because of a dead batt. So as long as the bike is charging the batt when it is running I should be able to park the bike over night without a tender right? Have been thinking about taking it to the beach and staying over night somewhere. Cant really take the tender with me in that case. Or would you recommend bringing it back to the garage every night?

Mike
 
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