1098R vs. Honda CBR 1000

invictus18

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I'm going to have a moment of logical thought and speak it.

Both bikes are fantastic bikes, I would love to have either. But look at the lap times, the power output, etc etc. Do you honestly think the Ducati does anywhere NEAR better than the CBR to justify $25,000 (!!!!!!) more?! Hell no. Give me that extra $10k to use for gas in my new CBR, another $13k to buy ANOTHER cbr, and the last 2k to spend on goodies to upgrade it. You can argue build quality till your blue in the face, but the fact is that the CBR stomps the 1098R every time! And this is coming from a Ducati lover at heart!
 
magazines are gay, it is all about which bike is cooler and all......I think its all about skills, if you own a 1098r and race a 1000rr, you can beat him on the 1098r if you got better skillz than the driver on the 1000rr.....
 
It's hard to compare the two. I have had my CBR for awhile now and just recently bought a straight 1098. I still love my Honda. Just about zero maintenance issues. Tires and oil changes is all she needs. I still take her out and beat on her with burnouts and some lame wheelies and she always comes back for more. It has plenty of power, but the handling to me has always seemed twitchy... Like someone said you think about a turn and it's there, but at the same time it doesn't feel rock solid thru the turn.

My 1098 I love. I think the pasta rocket looks way better than my old rice rocket. Sharper lines i think. I hope I find she is as good in the maitenance department as my honda. She has more power than the 954 and the front wheel loves to come up in 2nd. I have been noticing it is alot easier to get out of the seat in turns and it seems more solid in the turns.

I am not an expert by any stretch. Just a rookie lucky enough to have both and like them both, but wouldn't let my duck go...
 
I'd like to see the 1098R geared for a top speed to match the CBR's, or vice versa, and then see how things stack up... like lap times, and 80-100 roll etc.. I agree with the article in that most ppl will never use a 1098R, which makes the base more attractive.
 
The MV Agusta 312R actually holds the record for a stock production bike top speed set it last year at the Slat Flats.

The 08 CBR1000 is a great bike no doubt and its a track beast!! I have run laps on the track with some average riders and the CBR makes an OK rider a really good rider. Guys that were running GSXR 1000 and R1's last year are running faster laptimes with new CBR and Im talking 3 seconds or more faster a lap thats serious. The bike is so well balanced its really too bad that honda did such a horrible job with the look of the bike. It needs to be great everywhere else cause it is UGLY AS SHIT!!!!


PS Maybe the ducati was slower cause they counted in the time it takes to refuel the bike every 15 laps WHO ELSE HATES THE STUPID 2 GALLON TANK!!!!!!
 
Both are great bikes, but I can see how the CBR won. Look at bang for the buck. First clue is they didn't bother testing it against the 1098 base. The 1098 is a great bike, but it's not the "best" bike. I can't grasp the mentality that if a magazine doesn't pick the bike you own, then it must be biased. They may be biased, but it's not towards Honda. Look how long the Gixxer thou reigned as the liter bike champ in the mags. They judge the bikes on lots of levels. And lets just be honest, there are a lot of things the 1098 isn't good at. Traffic? Not stalling at red lights? Fuel consumption? Range? Parts cost? Comfort? Don't get me wrong. I've owned several bikes from all of the Japa nese makers, and I love my Duc best. But I won't get my panties in a bunch when it loses shoot outs.

As for Kent being biased, I have to respectfully disagree there too. I vividly remember him writing for sport rider in the early 90's. The 916 came out and he was head over heels for it. He picked it in every shootout the Duc was in. And if the Duc wasn't in a shoot out, he'd still compare the bikes he was testing to the Duc. To the point that he got all sort of angry letters accusing him of bias. It wasn't until the redesigned 96 Gixxer 750 came out that he admitted the 916 had found it's match. For some reason, I remember things I read. Word for word. Kent may be an asshole (don't know him) , but he's not biased towards Japanese bikes.

Open any cycle mag, any of them, and in the letters section there will be a dozen letters from readers who are jacked over last months issue. "Cancel my subscription my bike lost the shoot out." Or they're pissed that their bike wasn't included. "I can't believe you didn't include the Kawasaki Concours in your 600 shootout." Ride what you like and don't put stock in what others think.

It reminds me a lot of the Harley thing. The Harley guys are convinced their bikes are "best". Try to convince one that his bike isn't the best even though the metric cruisers are lighter, faster, more comfortable, more reliable, better brakes, better handling, faster, etc. It's not always about specs on a paper. Bikes are very personal. Sometimes you like a bike for reasons that you can't figure out on a piece of paper. That's how I feel about my 1098. I don't care if anyone else likes it. My perfect ride would mean I was on a road where no one saw me. Paint the bike flat black and change the shape so no one knows it's a duc, and I'll still lovehow it feels to ride it. Screw other peoples opinions. And screw magazine tests. If yourbike wins this year, rest assured, it will lose next years. Always needing to own the winner will be an expensive yearly investment.
 
Great posts on this topic. What still perplexes me is that the Ducati's performance is hampered by a lower redline, but the 1098R is still ahead in World Superbike with a mandated weight increase and restricted airflow. I've read articles that state the enhancemenets to the production 1098R are fairly minimal in WSB. If the 1098R is inferior to the much cheaper japanese bikes (ie. CBR 1000) then why are they required to add weight and restrict airflow?
 
The short answer is that WSB, despite being based on road going machines, is nowhere near as production based as other classes may be.

With that in mind, the Ducati motor has the potential to obliterate the competition in racing tune, so is capped in the interests of fairness.

The reason thrown about by Ducati for requesting that twins be allowed to grow to 1200cc was based upon the costs of making a 1000cc twin competative with its inline 4 cylinder counterparts. The argument being that they could make the same power, but a lot cheaper in a larger capacity.

Also, the torque characteristics of the Ducati would allow it to run similar speeds even with the longer gearing due to a lower redline. All a give and take.
 
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